GUEST BOOK

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122 thoughts on “GUEST BOOK

  1. Anne Wakefield

    Hello, I am the oldest grandchild of William (Bill) Priestley Brock who is mentioned in these records. I greatly appreciated being able to read about him. Thank you.

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  2. Reg Oakley

    Hello, my Gt uncle Edwin Burrows is commemorated on the Thiepval memorial. He was lost 12th October 1916. I notice Gt Granddaughters have also left commemorations on the British Legion site. If there is any way I can contact these distant cousins, I would be pleased.

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    1. 8055bell Post author

      Hi Reg,
      Thanks for your comments.
      Edwin was one of the Berkshire Regiment men who arrived in France on 1st July 1916. He was then attached to the Manchesters on 11th July and transferred on 1st September. I spent quite a lot of time researching these men to see if they fought at Guillemont on 30th July and found they did. https://17thmanchesters.wordpress.com/guillemont/royal-berkshire-regiment-men-attached-to-17th-manchesters/
      As a 36 year old married man, he enlisted in Acton where he lived with his extensive family. His Service Record is on line.
      Finding other relatives is great and I hope you can make contact. I have no tips though. If you find a photo, or other info. please let me know. I’ll add it to his Obituary on https://17thmanchesters.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/anniversary-12th-october-1916-flers-losses-for-17th-manchesters/
      Watch this post where I’ll be adding the Service Record details.
      Tim

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  3. Anne Wakefield

    Thank you so much for getting back to me and for providing so much information about my grandfather, William (Bill) Priestley Brock. I was thrilled to see the photograph. I shall be travelling for the next couple of months but hope to carry on my research into his life and will send you some information when I have it. I was very moved to think of you at Montauban on Ist July. I hope to visit there myself sometime in the future.

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  4. Allan Seaborn

    Thank you so much for the information about Edward Seaborn. My only other comment is to ask for an amendment to be made – Edward became William towards the end of the piece !!

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    1. 8055bell Post author

      Hi Allan,
      I sometimes wonder how my mind works…
      The post has been corrected.
      I went to Heninel on 1st July on the way back from the Somme. It’s such a peaceful place, making the horrors of the Arras battle seem impossible. Then I found two isolated cemeteries with Manchester and Royal Scots Fusiliers to make a statement for all the 90th Brigade losses. Cuckoo Passage and Cherisy Road are well worth a visit when you’re passing down the autoroute

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  5. Vin Staniforth

    Many thanks for your hard work with this site. My grandfather served in the 17th Manchesters: Pte Thomas Staniforth 9427. Enlisted in Feb 1915. I’ve never seen any photographs of him at all, so you can imagine my surprise when I saw (on this site) the roll call of E Company, XX Platoon, from 1915. Pte Staniforth is listed as being in the photo. Is there any way of matching the soldiers with the names in the Roll? He was 37 yrs old when he joined up, so I guess he’s one of the older looking blokes.

    On another note, I’m going for a few days’ walking around the Somme in September. Retracing some 17 Man steps and also those of my great-uncle Edmind Staniforth who was in the 1st Cheshires – KIA 3 Sept 1916 during the attack on Falfemont Farm. If anyone would like photos taking of a relative’s headstone etc I’d be more than happy to oblige. I’ll be staying in Albert and striking out from there each day.

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    1. 8055bell Post author

      Hi Vin,
      Thanks for your comments. I’m afraid we don’t know the order of the men in the Platoon photos. On the other hand, you are lucky that Thomas’ Service Record survived the Blitz https://17thmanchesters.wordpress.com/2015/12/13/17th-battalion-service-records/
      I can’t quite read the reason for his Pension Award, possibly Bronchitis – possibly due to gas. Please let us know if you know anything else about him and I’ll add it.
      Enjoy the Somme trip. The first is the best, particularly on such a day!
      Tim

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  7. 8055bell Post author

    Vin, You have another Gt Uncle who served in the Manchesters. 2822 John Staniforth enlisted in the 8th Bttn in Sept 1914. He was discharged unfit in 1916 with a heart complaint originating during, but not caused by his service. The condition would be aggravated by Service. John died in 1920 and if this was due to his heart complaint, his grave in Gorton may become recognised as a War Grave. If this is something that interests you, please let me know. IF you are in Manchester, please visit Gorton and take a photo of his grave. http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenLocDetails.aspx?ID=182647
    Tim

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  8. Vin Staniforth

    Thanks Tim, yes we knew about Gt Uncle John. I have his records along with my Grandad’s. If I’m reading John’s record correctly, he never went overseas? It was he who died in 1920, however, not Thomas 🙂

    I live in Manchester so I will certainly make the trip to the Gorton cemetery.

    Best wishes,

    Vin

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  9. 8055bell Post author

    Hi Vin,
    I’ve corrected the typo reference to Thomas. Do the records for John say anything about cause of death? The Service Records you hold may tell us more. He stayed at Home according to the Pension Record.
    If his death relates to the Heart complaint CWGC may recognise his burial. I’m waiting for a Death Certificate to find this out.
    I’ve identified a photo in Gorton grave plot. It is unmarked at the moment….

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  10. Caroline Wilson

    Hi Tim

    I came across your brilliant website several years ago whilst researching my grandfather for a WW1 school project for my son. My grandfather was Oscar Michael Hetherington. Born 6th March 1894. 8649 17th Battalion Manchester Regiment. Along with a few family ‘anecdotes’ and finding his medal card index and the Battalion War Diary on-line, plus reading Michael Stedman’s Manchester Pals book, I was able to piece together a little of what his life in WW1 might have been like, but I was unable to find out specifics.

    In the past couple of years, clearing out my parents house, we have uncovered a few more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle finding photographs of him (and his brother) in uniform, notations in a large family bible of the dates when he enlisted, was wounded (on two separate occasions),when he was gazetted; his medals; his RFC/RAF log book etc. But there were still gaps and I kept hitting brick walls trying to get more detail…
    (All family letters of this period were destroyed apparently, but incredibly I have found a handwritten account of some of his WW1 experiences, written in the ‘40s when he was a recruiting officer in India, for a talk he gave on the ‘role of an officer’.)

    Then just recently, with my family interested to try and find out more, we came across the discussion on the forum between timberman, yourself and charlie last Nov …. about him! It created great interest here and it explains some of the brick walls…We have just got a copy of the John Hartley book on the 17th Manchesters (£10!) and been able to read my grandfather’s biog and see him in his platoon photo (15th Platoon, D company).

    We are planning on visiting the National Archives at Kew, where we have discovered both his Army and RFC service records are now available. I also hope to get a copy of the 19th Battalion War Diary for the period we now know he served with them in 1917 – after becoming a 2nd Lt in March until he was wounded 31st July (his name was apparently misspelt as ‘Etherington’ in the 19th Battalion’s history records.)

    We are also interested to try and find out more details of what happened to him in early 1916 if possible, and also how he was wounded on 5th May (as noted in the family bible). Any ideas where else to research?
    ( My grandparents lived with us for several years in the ‘70s til his death in 1978 – he never spoke of his war experiences, and as a teenager growing up, I never thought to ask – how I wish!)

    Lastly, once I have gathered as much as I can about his time during WW1 would any of this information/including photographs be of interest for your website and/or the Manchester Regiment or any other site?

    Apologies for long missive, just much excitement in this household with latest information.

    Thank you in advance for any help/advice – and for your incredibly informative website.
    Caroline

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    1. 8055bell Post author

      Caroline,
      There is an Official Record of the 19th Bttn which mentions OM Etherington been wounded at Ypres The 19th Bttn War Diary has the correct spelling. I can’t add much more to what John has already written. On 5th May 1916, 1 man was killed by German artillery.https://17thmanchesters.wordpress.com/early-days-in-france/the-cost-of-trench-life/ He was in D Coy and I suspect Oscar was wounded in the same circumstances. He is buried at Suzanne, which probably means the Company were in that area, rather than Maricourt – where they would otherwise have been buried. The War Diary says 4 men were wounded on 5th May and it appears D Coy were in Vaux Wood.
      I suggest you buy the War Diaries from National Archives. Less than £4 each and you may find more on Oscar, particularly the 19th Diary. The Court Martial is very interesting, particularly with his Commission so soon after. AWOL is very strange and I suspect you’ll find more at NA in Kew. Do let me know what you find.
      I’d be delighted to create a post on this site for Oscar with any photos and documents. These personal biogs. make this project especially interesting for me and others – I hope. I will email you if this is what you would like.
      Also try the absent voters list to see where he was in the Summer of 1918.
      Cheers
      Tim
      ps Oscar is mentioned on the Co-operative Wholesale Society Roll of Honour.

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      1. Caroline Wilson

        Many thanks for this Tim
        We will explore the various routes you have suggested and, hoping we can fill in some of the gaps, will let you know. Yes, the AWOL/Court Martial/demotion/then suspension of punishment early 1916 followed by being wounded on 5th May then his Commission soon after has intrigued us, so hoping it becomes clear.
        And, yes please, let me know how to forward relevant biog/photos/documents etc for my grandfather, via email I presume, for your website. I agree, being able to read a little of these men’s lives, and their experiences knowing your relative has shared them, somehow personalises and heightens what an extraordinary thing they did enlisting for and taking part in this war.
        Best wishes
        Caroline

  11. 8055bell Post author

    Hi Caroline,
    The WordPress account has updated and I’m really stuck. Please can you follow the Blog and that will give me an email address. It’s not good placing emails here because spammers will take it. I’ll delete this post when you’ve done the follow

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  12. Bill Edwards

    Hi,
    New to this site so forgive the errors. I am Bill Edwards, living in Derbyshire. Some 40 years ago I bought a group of medals (WW1 War & Victory plus a memorial plaque) to Arthur Leonard Sheldon. Since I retired, I have been trying to put as much history as I can, behind the draw full of medals unsystematically collected over the years. Which brings me to Arthur.

    Pte 9258 Arthur Leonard Sheldon, 17th Battalion Manchester (perhaps ‘reserve’) Regiment. Born 1889, resided 118 Tower Rd, Aston, Warwck, then of 39 Silver St, Miles Platting, baptised (along with his brother and 3 sisters!) at St Johns (Miles Platting) 26 March 1897, then moved to 160 Varley St, Miles Platting. He would have been 24 / 25 when he enlisted. He was killed in action on 30 July 1916 and is buried in the Danzig Alley Brit Cem. Mametz, ref vii U2.

    I have copies of his medal roll and effects but I draw a blank with his service record and troop actions. I cannot help feeling that, when I look at the 17th Battalion photos there is Arthur.

    If any of you could extend some help I would be very grateful, with my regards,
    Bill

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