Remembering 9438 CQMS Frederick William Jones Killed in Action 29/30th July 1916

XIV Pln D Coy - Book of HonourCompany Quartermaster Sergeant Jones enlisted in the 17th Battalion on 23rd February 1915. This was during the drive for further recruitment when the Pals Battalions were seeking a fifth E Company. Recruitment was opened up to men with skills or trades suited to Army life. This was a significant extension to the original requirement of being a clerk or warehouseman.  His Service Record helps build a picture of the men in his Battalion.

Arthur Bell recognised the importance of these men. “Throw a lot of clerks and countermen into a complex organisation like an army, with only a few ex-Boer War men, and where are you?  No wonder an invitation was issued to bakers, candlestick-makers and coppers to join up.”
Frederick was an experienced carpenter, who had a reference provided by Peace V Norquoy Limited of New Islington Works, Union Street, Ancoats. He had been employed with them for five years and had earlier served in the Royal Navy.

Jones F W Manchester Evening News 22 August 1916

Jones F W Manchester Evening News 22 August 1916 (C) British Library.

At 37 years and six months, Frederick was much older than the average recruit; with the majority of recruits being single, it was also an exception for Frederick to be married with children. He had married Nellie Shutt at Weslyan Chapel, Grosvenor Street on 15th July 1905. The couple and three children, Wilfred, Doris & Frederick William, lived at 1 Roseneath Avenue, Levenshulme. His mother Mary Fox Jones lived at 12 The Crescent, Levenshulme with younger brother Harold Thomas and Sister Constance Gertrude Jones. The elder brother Edwin Ernest lived at Bramhall.
Previous military experience, maturity and his trade experience led to Frederick’s early promotion to the post of Pioneer Sergeant. He trained with XIV Platoon in D Company. The Battalion’s assault on Montauban led to significant losses, especially among the NCOs. Frederick was promoted CQMS on 1st July, as a replacement for one of these casualties.
CQMS Jones was Killed in Action on 29th 1916, prior to the advance on Guillemont. He is buried in PERONNE ROAD CEMETERY, MARICOURT.  Frederick had originally been buried close to the track leading to Carnoy from Maricourt and the southern end of Talus Bois.

Nellie received Frederick’s Effects in September 1917. This included a tobacco pouch, Cigarette Case, wrist watch, purse, pipe and pipe lighter. Nellie thought some items were missing. The War Office awarded her a Pension of 22/ per week in February 1917.  This postponement was due to Frederick being posted Missing, with Nellie being notified of this on 14/8/1916 and he later assumed to have died when she was notified on 22/1/1917.

XIV Pln D Coy Photo - Book of Honour

21 thoughts on “Remembering 9438 CQMS Frederick William Jones Killed in Action 29/30th July 1916

  1. Dianne Norwood

    Fascinating reading about him. He obviously knew my grandfather George Royle 9014. Love reading your findings. Thanks.

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  2. 8055bell Post author

    You’re most welcome Dianne. It’s amazing to imagine the connections between all these men and the feeling that our relatives probably knew each other. We’re plain lucky they survived.
    Tim

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    1. Dianne Norwood

      I think that is why I’m so interested in this site, knowing my grandfather probably knew these people & they knew him. Just wish I knew what they thought of him & always wonder what he was like. I’m just amazed at all the information you have collected & found & so wonderfully put together on this site. It’s a credit to you. Thanks

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  3. Sarah Bednall

    Frederick Jones was my Great Grandad.
    I am so pleased I have found all this information.
    Thank you.
    I am proud of him and myself to try and do the research about him.

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  4. 8055bell Post author

    Hi Sarah,
    A true pleasure to bring some infromation to your attention. If you find anything new, I’m happy to add it to the post. I firmly recommned a visit to the area where Frederick served. If you go, let me know and I can provide some top tips. It’s a beautiful corner of France.
    Tim
    ps Just noticed I’d transposed the number. Now corrected.

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    1. Sarah Elizabeth Bednall

      Hi i am going there in May to see his grave.
      And booked a day tour with a guide.
      to follow his footsteps where he was ect.
      i will let you know if i get anymore information.
      Thank you.

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      1. 8055bell Post author

        Difficult to tell, with 4 Sgts sat together. I suspect it may be the chap in the Navy (Darker) Tramguards uniform, as he was a more recent recruit.

  5. 8055bell Post author

    The first visit is always the best – wish I could join you. I’ve just found Frederick was originally buried near the Casualty Clearing Station to the SW of Talus Bois near Maricourt. You can visit the track there – I walked up there last July. It firmly suggests he was killed by shell or gas near the 1st July Assembly positions in the early evening of 29th, prior to the battalion moving up to the trenches between Bernafay and Trones Woods,
    When you visit, please also go to Suzanne and the area of Vaux, where the Bttn spent the 1st 6 months of 1916. It is delighful.
    Also make a visit to Triangle Point where my Grandad ended up on 1st/2nd July. We should be very proud of our forebears.

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    1. Sarah Bednall

      I wonder why he was moved from casualty clearing station to Maricourt cemetery.
      Interesting thank you.
      He was killed by Shell not gas found that out today.
      If you get anymore information on my Great Grandad please could you forward the Information across please.
      I am trying to get hold of a photo of him or of his regiment with him in it of cause.
      Thank you very much

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      1. Sarah Bednall

        Hi when you said the four sergeants sat together.
        Where abouts on the photo do you mean?
        Is it the fist row or second?
        Sorry to ask and thank you for all this information.
        It’s fantastic. 😁

    1. Sarah Bednall

      Hi I just want to say a big thank you for all this.
      You don’t no how much this means to us.
      I have past on the information what you have given me about where he is sitting.
      And my mum said he looks like my brother, and had a feeling it was him.
      We have been wanting to know for many years.
      Where is grave is and what happened to him.
      And its all coming together thanks to you. 😁

      How did you manage to get all this information?
      And to build it all up like this?
      I am not very good on computers, so it has amazed me how you have done it.
      Thank you once again just amazing 😊

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      1. 8055bell Post author

        The best part of this project is sharing details with family members of other members of the Battalion. My Grandad (who I remember) will have known Frederick. It’s amazing we can cross this time divide a century later.
        I started the project when I was a kid and saw Grandad’s service medals. We went to Montauban with my dad and three daughters about 16 years ago and I keep going back. You may also catch the bug! Watch out.

  6. Sarah Bednall

    I would love to keep going back to see his grave ect.
    But far as I know I am going to be the first to see it with my son.
    I have never been there it’s going to be interesting and my be emotional too.
    But don’t thing I could afford to go back.
    But I do do the family tree ect.
    Nice chatting with you.
    How do you know the uniforms of the sergeants?
    Where you in the Army too?

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    1. 8055bell Post author

      Hi Sarah,
      My knowledge of the Great War comes from many years research. I did serve in the Royal Engineers (Territorial Army) too.
      To whet your appetite, have a look at my incredibly amateur film of drone footage over the 1st July 1916 Battlefields. Frederick was probably killed in the area covered in the first few minutes of the footage. https://vimeo.com/140211157
      How do you kmow he was killed by shell fire?
      Tim

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      1. Sarah Bednall

        Hi thank you once again for giving me more information.
        I understand know how you now the uniforms.
        As I grew up my mum told me that Frederick died by been blown up by a bomb.
        Very sad for the family.
        Years ago my auntie started the research of him and found his grave.
        And she passed the information to me.
        So I have been doing my own research for months on him.
        The information she give me with where the family lived, they use to read the Manchester Guardian.
        And the over day I found a clip in the Manchester guardian reading that a part off a bomb hit him.
        I was pleased I read it and confirmed what was said in the family.
        And I thought I photo copyed it and I miss let it somehow, sorry.
        But really i think Frederick was very lucky he got a grave at all.
        Thank you 👍

      2. Sarah Bednall

        Wow!
        Thank you ever so much I can’t believe you have done this for us.
        I have forward it to all my family.
        You are brilliant in what you do.
        I am not that good on here I am afraid.
        But if I get any information in May when I go you will be the first to get it.
        Thank you so so much. 😁😁😁

      3. Sarah Bednall

        I just want to say still how grateful we all are.
        My mum is very moved with all this information you have given us.
        They have wanted to know for many years what happened.
        And its all been down to you.
        A really big thank you. 😃👍

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